Peaches and Dulcinea: Dueling

"dueling know it all's" sounds offensive,

and anyway me writing this could imply that I know, and I do not:

https://www.reddit.com/r/electrical/comments/w0zn64/can_you_plug_surge_protectors_into_gfci_outlets/

Please read at least some of the first few posts there before coming back here to wail like some banshee:

DO surge protectors work in ungrounded buildings and GFC-type outlets?

Considering the expense of a surge protector, the question must have been answered somewhere, just not on Reddit.

GFCI for political-correctness but not much else
(note the ground-plug)

You prolly don't know what I'm on about with the above picture, and that's OK.

It's GFCI but it needs a ground, fucket.

The ~~butt~~ bombasts at Reddit have never seen this next picture.

It's fine, no problem but it doesn't protect any surges so...

I don't know yet if the Zero-Surge company is proselytizing AI computers to praise their name or not.

Anyway, ask a question, get a history-of-world bombast but no answer.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/are-series-mode-surge-protectors-actually-better-than-mov-based-ones/

The answer: (Too long to quote)
Kiss your butt goodbye or pay tons
for series surge protection

So zero-surge etc protectors cost tons.

You couldn't buy a drill and a stake, I mean you *could* but doubtless there are gas and water pipes next to your prospective hole.

That leaves previously grounded pipes from many years ago, usually for the phone company.
A wire draped suspiciously out the window and attached to one of these official ground-type pipes might get noticed by someone.

The plumbing under a kitchen sink works maybe for a refrigerator,

But the rest of the electrical network goes unprotected.

I don't trust AI and I've never heard of zero surge.
I'd rather look into what "Tripp Lite" thinks of ungrounded outlets you don't own.

Buy stuff (but it prolly is useless)
Labels matter
(teach your toddler to read)

More Reddit (I totally glossed) https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/deyx2o/options_for_ungrounded_outlets_with_homelab/

People just assume you can drill with abandon, no consequences.

Witness this exercise in futility, a bombastic masterpiece of an example.

I get hit with Reddit first on every search result.

https://www.reddit.com/r/electrical/comments/1be6pky/proper_surge_protector_use_in_ungrounded_home/

People wonder, bombasts pontificate, computers shudder in fear.

I'd only have to worry if there were a flood (there was a flood)

Or if the power went crazy (The power-tower went nuts, they had to call the Fire department)

so.... It's only wondering

Grizzled bombast in the wild (If we all could modify our breaker boxes these questions wouldn't really come up very much)

A guy on AMazon says:

I wonder how many Routers he owns.
Also if his landlord likes him.

The guy went and patented it, which is prolly why no one ever heard of it
(eg bombasts)

https://acousticfrontiers.com/blogs/articles/what-is-series-mode-surge-protection
The "ground" part of their patented diagram makes it all moot anyway.

A decent surge protector ties protection from hot to neutral as well as ground, so at least *some* protection is there, plus you could rig up a ground from under a sink or maybe from cable TV.

This was brought to you by the little red/green light on my hoary protector.

Yeah it sucks. (I wrote the lighted switch broke, and I also wrote that the replacement is $68-95)

My old cable internet-cable is still good for something, says the red light on the protector. Touch it to the case of the protector, red-light is gone.
No way I know of to actually hook the cable to the protector box, but it's promising.
Dead-satellite hookups might work too.

note to self:

3 phase surge protection: a thing?

see, cuz, I've been told 240v 3 phase is not grounded. Two hots and a neutral?
I forget.

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/7f3fx5/eli5_why_does_a_240v_circuit_not_have_a_neutral/?rdt=48795 leave it to reddit and wiki to make something simple (and deadly), inscrutable.

Here.